Natty Or Not

Natty Or Not? That Is The Question

 

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hey guys welcome to my channel or my

goal is to look like mr. olympia one

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hundred percent natural

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– 09

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yeah

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ok guys body doing steroids this is the

best and most interesting and not

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surprisingly one of the most

controversial subjects you can get into

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specifically within the bodybuilding and

fitness industry

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this topic is probably responsible for

like ninety percent of the keyboard

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warrior comments and arguments i see

online whether it be you to facebook

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instagram

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whenever there's like a natural or

supposedly natural person that's athlete

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who puts a photo or like a progress

picture or work out our diet tip

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whatever there's always like out of 500

comments like 480 of them will be a

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group of individuals just arguing each

other and oftentimes the following back

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two sides of the spectrum

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there's like you know the super naive

guy the one who sees someone who's like

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ronnie coleman or something and he's

like yeah that's achievable within a

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couple years good nutrition you know

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good hard work good sleep good genetics

and you know they don't know what

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they're talking about unfortunately

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and then you have guys on the opposite

side of the spectrum or completely

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cynical

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these are the dudes who you know

everyone knows they're the guys out

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there who like whatever anyway you a

one-pound more

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that's it you're on steroids cannot be

bigger than them they just can't accept

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in their minds and in their the only

someone who weighs a pound that's the

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number bro do you even live and even

I've had situations like that on my

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social media post or someone will come

by and be like a nice games bro will

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bite you on or what what your cycling

and then usually think it is a

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compliment you know pretty much saying

like congratulations in a sense that

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you've achieved the physique which is at

this point considered you know at an

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unnatural level by some and then I

usually tell them you know the truth I'm

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not taking anything that is of course

except for creating the hall

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snap but yeah I am sick and tired of

seeing this and probably the underlying

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issue is that there is a very large

misconception or lack of information

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regarding what is the true natural

genetic limit or natural genetic

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potential attainable for an athlete you

know x body structure x height x body

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fat percentage and you know x genetic

factor

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so this is what this video is going to

do I have scoured the internet I've done

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you know the research I have a pretty

good amount of experience in this topic

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and I have taken out ninety five percent

of the crap

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and I kept the five percent of the crap

that actually matters now I can actually

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give us you know consistent way of

telling whether the person is either you

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are on steroids or that he's just some

crazy magical insane harry potter type

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shit

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genetic anomaly so what's this video

going to do number one we're going to do

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a natural definition because the

perception that some people have us to

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what actually is considered natural is

different between individuals number two

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we're going to look at a frame of

comparison and in addition of that we

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actually going to look at a couple of

peer-reviewed scientific articles actual

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hardcore science and then we're going to

establish a way of extrapolating based

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on someone stacks you know their height

their weight of the body fat percentage

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whatever

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whether that person is you know in a

naturally attainable range there's a

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couple of calculations out there we can

take a break it down into the formula

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plot the graph anyone outside the graph

probably on something it's that simple

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ok part 1 we're going to be looking at

natural definition of what I'm gonna be

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taken for the purpose of this video is

what's widely considered by many sports

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including at the body the organization's

you know other big non bodybuilding

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related sports NFL you know NBA the

Olympics whatever you name it we're

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going to be looking at the world

anti-doping agency or what does have a

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prohibited substance list this list

technique can be split up into three

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different ways you've got all time

prohibited substance so you can take

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this stuff whenever now five years ago

doesn't matter

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there's in competition for limited

substances so you know whatever you take

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yesterday is fine but you can't take it

today the day of the race the data

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competition particular sports so what's

legal for tennis may be prohibited in

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football or basketball or whatever

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also the concentration of even actually

found substances in your blood

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maybe a prohibited factor for example

you have Alistair Overeem is a popular

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UFC heavyweight fighter about a year or

two ago he tested positive for poor

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performance and answers and he was not

allowed to compete in one of those

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fights and he was found the free

testosterone level

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i believe it was 50 – 11 be the natural

average you know he's a starter level

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for most men when the maximum allowable

level was six to one

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so six to one is already like your

testosterone genetically give the holy

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crap

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so if you're around 15 to 1 that's three

times

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the maximum genetically gifted level

yeah you're probably on something

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I'm gonna throw this prohibitive

listening to link down below and one

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other thing i want to mention is that

when people say steroids their kind of

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missing out on other things which be

technically considered

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performance-enhancing in other sports

and specifically related to bodybuilding

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for example things that give you like

shredded like diuretics or clean

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beautiful

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I don't recall that that's actually a

steroid meaning a synthetic you know

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natural hormone or no derivative of

testosterone things such as insulin

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would not be loved in the same group of

testosterone things such as human growth

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hormone used by you know the crazy huge

ifbb pro bodybuilders same story so you

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can't just a steroid deficit is a larger

cloud of performance-enhancing things

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something that's really popular in the

in the physique you know aesthetics

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industry such as claimed funeral is more

you know and more to get you shredded

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not necessarily for you girl although

it's used in conjunction with growth

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growth substances

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ok actually getting into a couple models

which can predict and extrapolate what

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is the maximum size that individual can

get to from natural means you've got

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things like the mcdonald model the allen

aragon model Casey box frame size model

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that's a very popular one because unlike

the previous examples

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this one takes into consideration your

bone structure which is very important

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because someone for example with seven

interest is probably gonna be able to

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put on more muscle he's got a bigger

structure more to work with than someone

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with six interests but the one that

we're going to be using mostly for the

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purposes of this video is the FM I

similar to BBM I this is the fat-free

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muscle index this is a very simple

calculation you can do it you know you

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can put in a couple of your stats and a

biscuit essentially give you a score

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which we can then compare to other

athletes both natural and not natural to

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establish an essential maximum genetic

potential score cornmeal the best of the

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best athletes for now

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this F of my calculation was driving an

article published in nineteen ninety

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five in the clinical journal of sports

medicine so you know it's hardcore

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science

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it looked at a hundred fifty seven

athletes 83 drug users and 74 non-users

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and compare it to the statistics of you

know like stats body weight height

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never given by 20 mr. America winners

from the pre steroid era and what I mean

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by that is we are talking about the

thirties forties early fifties

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you know the Mr Universe competition

this is way before that you know the

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golden era bodybuilding with our nose

surgery Eva even let me Scott the first

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mr. leafy way back in nineteen

sixty-five openly talk about steroids I

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mean it was very simple back then

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dianabol was like you know popping

mentors for governor something was

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simple it was cheap it was definitely

effective

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it was discussed openly I mean anyone

that was asked this is your experiences

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yeah I think sweetie an apple a day or

someone else was there i would take this

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is that it was another illegal thing

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so you gotta go a little bit further

back but even then you're not a hundred

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percent sure that these athletes were

not not accessible to steroids

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we'll talk about that later in the video

so the average fmi of these 20 mr.

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America you know winners which is

considered to be at the time the genetic

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elite natural best body that you can get

was about twenty five . four so this 25

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or 26 you know if you want to be a

little more liberal on this range is

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essentially the maximum amount that you

could have for all and already

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genetically gifted perfect diet perfect

nutrition actually anyone above this you

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know by significant ridge you can

realistically assume that they are on

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some kind of performance-enhancing

compound or substance and again if

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you're going to be looking at someone

with the 28 29 there's a higher chance

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someone like ronnie coleman if you put

in his steps when you want one of those

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mr. link is got fmi 42 so that's crazy

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and you know he's obviously on something

it just brings back the average meal has

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an FM I of 19 so anywhere in that 19 –

25 range is considered you know you can

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pretty much get a score of how much you

look like you lift

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where's 25 is essentially the maximum

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that you can achieve from a medical

standpoint ok guys before I get any

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deeper i want to talk about why i use an

average effort might have 25 as the

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maximum natural genetic barrier with the

average fmi of the natural group was

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21.8 meeting these guys are obviously

bodybuilders they have a decent amount

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of physical development over the average

man who has a score of 19

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well interestingly enough the steroid

group had an average effort might have

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24.8 you may be asking yourself why am I

using 25 as the natural genetic barrier

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when the average steroid user in this

group couldn't even break that

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themselves was because one individual

who has confirmed to be natural in the

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study of 156 was actually able to break

25 f of my so if you're going to have

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such a small sample size and one person

can actually do that you can bet that in

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the hundreds of thousands or even

millions of natural bodybuilding

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competitors and Instagram celebrity and

YouTube fitness personality is out there

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in such a huge sample size that you're

definitely have a considerable amount of

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individuals who can break that

themselves because remember from a

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genetic standpoint we are dealing with

the best of the best

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I mean these guys are competing at the

mr. Olympia these guys have physics

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which are admired by hundreds of

thousands or millions of people out

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there so it's fair to assume that we're

going to have some decent data outliers

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be that as it may we are not naive if

someone is having an mi score of 28 29

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30

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no matter how big of a sample size are

going to have that's not a data outlier

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that's friggin magic

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you're a wizard Harry I'm a little

natural

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ok so I've got up ahead and graphed an

example individuals lean and competition

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weights at an FM i have twenty-five once

again assuming the best possible diet

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exercise and genetic standpoint the top

line represents lean wait at about ten

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percent body fat where is the bottom red

line represents competition wait

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we're talking about shredded five

percent body fat so you can take an

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individual for example someone at six

feet tall and you can plot them on the

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line

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according to the red line at five

percent body fat the most takeaway is a

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hundred ninety pounds since we're

assuming FM i have 25

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that's pretty much the best they could

possibly be if they were to get to 190

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pounds they must have worked our ass off

to get there if you were to plot some of

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that same body height and they were

getting a hundred and eighty eight

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pounds

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most likely they are on some kind of

performance-enhancing substance so

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running through myself for example at

six feet tall male with an f in my

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opinion but again i'm nowhere near that

but you know essentially that is a goal

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that I could work towards at five

percent body fat

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I would have a body weight of a hundred

and ninety-one pounds

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me worrying about 183 and you know a

higher body fat percentage

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there's still a lot you know room to

grow for me to achieve this ideal

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genetic potential physique

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now some of you guys may be thinking

like an hundred anyone pounds of five

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percent of shredded contest level at six

feet that is a big guy i mean we're

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talking like you know we're talking

pretty close to the old school

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bodybuilding days in the current men's

physique

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olympia caliber athletes and you know

some of those guys are on something

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taking a different approach you got the

popular website natty or not you guys

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can find a link below and this one also

list you know i extrapolated list of you

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Associated a maximum body weight you can

have an x % x body fat percentage of the

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different heights

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it lists six feet tall at five percent

body fat the maximum body weight

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individual could have naturally is 184

pounds

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so you may be asking yourself like you

know why is there a bit of a difference

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considering the other one was based on a

reasonable scientific article on why is

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there that difference of seven pounds

seven pounds of muscle is a pretty big

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grade you put that on a person you know

that's that's a considerable size

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difference and I believe that's key

issue or source of error found in this

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article considering the fmi calculation

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even though it's a pretty good

statistical concept that you can take

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and

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you know I think it's fairly accurate

there are issues because that nineteen

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thirty nine to nineteen fifty-nine you

know 20 mr. America AAU winners that

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they looked at realistically you can't

be one hundred percent sure that they

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were on there but they were not on some

type of gear and to explain what I mean

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by that we actually had a little bit

into the history of steroids became on

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the nineteen thirties

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in fact that was actually rumors about

the Nazis using them you know

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experimenting on their soldiers in World

War two

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it made its way into athletics in the

nineteen fifties first being used by the

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Soviet olympic team and then to you know

that they made its way to the Americans

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by the 1960s it was all over the west

coast bodybuilding seen you know

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well if there isn't there has never been

a mr. olympia caliber athlete who has

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not been on some kind of gear

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ok guys going to a couple examples of

these old-school bodybuilders who may be

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screwing the standards up a bit because

definitely an F of my have 25 which is

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supposedly the natural barrier 190

pounds at six feet tall five percent

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body fat is pretty damn shredded and

crazy

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okay so we got Steve Reeves six foot one

at 217 pounds he was one of the first

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classic aesthetic physiques mr. universe

1950 and AAU mr. America 1947 definitely

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one of the more pretty and aesthetic

physiques of the golden era and a

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physique which even today stands up to

the highest degree of scrutiny which

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park competing from 1946 to 1973 with

winds like the Mr Universe in 1951 58 65

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and big lift like a 500-pound bench

press 605 squad standing 6 feet 1 at 220

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pounds at a reasonable body fat

percentage and I did none of these guys

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were ever to lean that wasn't really

much of a requirement as opposed to

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these days were if you're on stage

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you know even one percent above five

percent body fat you're considered fat

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unconditioned out of shape

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so again standing 220 pounds he actually

stood next to arnold and held his own

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so also in addition because if he

competed for so long almost a 30-year

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spin

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you're not sure whether he you know

possibly experimented with a box or not

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and whether or not the state took them

into consideration if it took him

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earlier in his career versus later his

career after he potentially experiment

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in a box that would skew with standards

up a bit jon bramnick five foot nine

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hundred ninety five pounds obviously

once again not anywhere near today's

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conditioning standards 1940 mr. America

1948 miss universe and is confirmed in

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1954 he experimented with a box

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so depending on when this study took it

was it before or after experimenting

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with steroids would potentially sku or

not skewed the standards up but to be

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honest guys the only way you can be one

hundred percent sure looking at a

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natural athlete would be to look at

eugene send out

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active in the eighteen hundreds way

before steroids was even invented

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he's the father of current body building

along with your reader Arnold pretty

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much made it what it is today

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he's obviously natural standing 5 foot 9

180 pounds and impressive physique for

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us time the less I know that some of you

guys may be seeing you know wait a

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minute how can you compare athletes from

40 50 60 years ago to athletes nowadays

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from a physical development standpoint

considering that so many things have

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changed regarding training you know

better equipment better knowledge

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regarding supplementation obviously

didn't have like you know PCA is

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creating protein powders back then and i

have to say yes that's true but I don't

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think that's the result in such a vast

difference you know allowing people to

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take their body from a physical

standpoint that much higher

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do you really think that training has

changed that much I mean bench press

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squat that lip the three compounds

stables

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that's hot that's always been around you

know essentially we've always understood

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the protein is the key building block of

muscle

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whether you have whey protein or you

know you have cast scene

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yes and they make things easier but i'm

sure that was an issue back then you can

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just get it from milk eggs tuna fish

chicken sources whatever

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so I think overall this difference of

time is someone negligible I mean a

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squad is still squad gram of protein per

gram of protein and calories low calorie

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the core fundamentals of bodybuilding

and physical development have not

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changed

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so that's it guys I mean the numbers

pretty much speak for themselves if

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there's an athlete and you find yourself

questioning of getting into a debate or

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something as to whether they are indeed

natural or potentially natural put their

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stuff but the numbers put their steps

into this calculation again link below

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you know if you get a if you get an

output of 30

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broke we kidding come on and if you get

on the other hand if you get an output

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of 22 or 23 they could realistically

very reasonably be a natural athlete

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um only when they're in the 24 to 26

range doesn't get a bit into a gray area

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because realistically they could just be

really really awesome natural or they

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could just be a kind of crappy guy on

gear

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ok guys keeping out for my second video

in the nati the big part 2 we're going

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to get controversial because we're going

to look at actual fitness

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you know natural fingers examples are

idols in the fitness industry and we're

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going to extrapolate based on what we

learned in this video

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whether that athlete is natural not or

you know whether they're in that gray

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area

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I'm talking steve cook Matt ogus conch –

in simeon panda Jeff's I know it's a

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popular one that everyone loves to argue

about

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we're going to dive right in ok guys so

at the end of the day these are just my

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opinions I bet you do some data into the

mix a little bit of science and that's

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great but realistically there are data

anomalies

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there are significant genetic outliers

you're going to have to essentially take

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what i say with a grain of salt or tell

me to go screw itself and that's up to

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you as a viewer

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